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'Galileo Was Wrong,' claims geocentrist writer
News Type: Event — Seeded on Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:33 PM EST
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'The Earth is at the center of Robert Sungenis' universe. Literally.
Yours too, he says.
Sungenis is a geocentrist. He contends the sun orbits the Earth instead of vice versa. He says physics and the Bible show that the vastness of space revolves around us; that we're at the center of everything, on a planet that does not rotate.
He has just completed a 1,000-page tome, "Galileo Was Wrong," the first in a pair of books he hopes will persuade readers to "give Scripture its due place, and show that science is not all it's cracked up to be."'
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{"commentId":77565,"authorDomain":"trpcage"}
The best part of this article HAS to be the hovering helicopter. At that point, I just stopped reading. Sorry, evano, nothing against you. I try to keep an open mind, but even I have limits...
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#1 - Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:15 PM EST{"commentId":77605,"authorDomain":"sheep"}
@Jasper: No need to apologize to me. My jaw hit the floor when I saw this. What really got me is that, we were saying during the ID debates, "That has as much scientific merit as the Flat Earth 'Theory' or Ptolemaic Geocentrism!" Who would have thought that these people really existed. I can't wait until we have the Hollow Earth believers demanding that their "theory" be taught alongside Plate Tectonics.
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- 11 votes
#2 - Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:03 PM EST{"commentId":77653,"authorDomain":"darkside"}
It's just a THEORY, guys! Don't you understand? I'm going to go explain this to thousands of my friends and have them each come in here one at a time and force you to explain to them in small words exactly why the THEORY of geocentrism and the THEORY of solarcentrism aren't the same. It sure seems to me like they are.
...
Have I gotten bitter? Hehe
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- 11 votes
#3 - Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:56 PM EST{"commentId":77697,"authorDomain":"horus"}
I like the quote at the end of the article:
...as Galileo famously quoted 16th century Cardinal Caesar Baronius, "The Bible was written to show us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go."
I'm happy to give christians ID, geocentrism and any other wacky theory they want to come up with, so long as they don't start demanding it be taught in public schools.
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- 6 votes
#4 - Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:52 PM EST{"commentId":77701,"authorDomain":"sheep"}
@Myk: Don't forget about the differences between micro-Solarcentrism and macro-Solarcentrism. Because, sure, those little models of the planets and the sun go around and around -- everyone's seen it. But has anyone actually witnessed the earth moving around the sun? Even our astronauts have never seen that! Oh, and mind the gaps!
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- 10 votes
#5 - Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:57 PM EST{"commentId":77709,"authorDomain":"darkside"}
Haha, what about the difference between Microsolarism and Macrosolarism? I mean, sure, we all know the sun is there, we see it. It's less than an inch across. Now, scientists and Macrosolarismists would have you believe that the sun is actually huge, but there is no evidence for this assertion. I am going to maintain this viewpoint until you prove to me, right here and right now in this forum, that Macrosolarism exists. You are not allowed to use evidence or citations, as they will be promptly dismissed and/or assertively ignored.
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- 6 votes
#6 - Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:04 AM EST{"commentId":77756,"authorDomain":"scooterdman"}
Both geocentrists and heliocentrists are wrong. When I was little, my mom told me the Earth didn't revolve around me. Knowing that I didn't revolve around the Earth, I deduced that she must have been wrong, and I have subscribed to Ryancentrism ever since.
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- 16 votes
#7 - Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:11 AM EST{"commentId":77803,"authorDomain":"morse"}
The geocentrists quoted in this article have very lousy grasps on physics.
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- 1 vote
#8 - Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:46 AM EST{"commentId":77812,"authorDomain":"bport"}
My favorite line:
But what about Foucault's famous pendulum? Its plane of oscillation revolves every 24 hours, showing the rotation of the planet. If the Earth didn't rotate, it wouldn't oscillate.
Nope, Sungenis said: There just may be some other force propelling it, such as the pull of stars.
Because if you disagree with a scientific theory, there could always be something else that causes the phenomenon you observe.
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- 1 vote
#9 - Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:10 AM EST{"commentId":77862,"authorDomain":"lankafool"}
Poor, sad man. I almost feel like someone should help him. Although is this really that surprising, we live in a country where anti-evolution education legislation is being proposed left and right.
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- 1 vote
#10 - Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:01 AM EST{"commentId":77897,"authorDomain":"tschreck"}
Awsome-
didn't you know that it's the hand of god that guides Foucault's Pendulum.
because he has nothing better to do.
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- 3 votes
#11 - Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:25 AM EST{"commentId":77908,"authorDomain":"umer"}
Dont you guys think people like Galileo, Newton, Einstein and others where really really cool people!!!
We still find it difficult to prove/challenge their theories and their calculations!
Its not that he made a wrong theory... he told us something really invaluable that the Earth is round and it orbits around the sun... at that time when there were no super computers and clustered computing to figure something out...
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- 1 vote
#12 - Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:39 AM EST{"commentId":77911,"authorDomain":"paradiso108"}
My understanding is that the motions of celestial bodies are relative to each other, and that any point can be chosen as a reference point from which to observe other bodies. We choose the Sun as our reference point (heliocentrism) because it clearly has the largest gravitational impact in our spatial area. We could choose the Earth, Mars, or the ISS if we wanted to and observe the motion of all other bodies from that vantage point. Is this incorrect? I mean, I guess someone could be geocentrist, although the elegance of the elliptical orbits is lost for something that, unless I'm wrong would look like a spirograph. That business about the Earth's rotation seems completely crazy, as opposed to only half crazy.
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- 4 votes
#13 - Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:44 AM EST{"commentId":77949,"authorDomain":"sheep"}
@Andy: Yes, everything is relative (except morals, as I'm told over and over in other discussions on this site) but would you claim that if you are standing next to the railroad tracks, you are actually moving at 100mph past the train? I think we have to have some sort of standard reference points for stationary objects, at least on a local basis. We wouldn't really want to be figuring out the mathematics of the earth's rotation around the Hubble telescope and all the GPS satellites. Science is about explaining things, and that is usually done best by finding the simplest explanation. Ptolemy's calculations required all kinds of exceptions to account for the motion of the planets, while Copernicus' calculations were very simple and reflected the way other things move in nature. That's pretty much why no one has really bothered trying to replace it -- until "Dr." Sungenis, of course.
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- 4 votes
#14 - Wed Mar 29, 2006 9:36 AM EST{"commentId":77973,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
Well... technically speaking, the earth is the center of the universe... At least from OUR perspective.... but that is simply an amusement of General Relativity as far as the ENTIRE universe is concerned... when speaking locally, our local group of galactic clusters (5000 galaxies or so) we most definitely do have a place.... and we are NOT at the center of it.
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- 2 votes
#15 - Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:03 AM EST{"commentId":77976,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
@Myk: Don't forget about the differences between micro-Solarcentrism and macro-Solarcentrism. Because, sure, those little models of the planets and the sun go around and around -- everyone's seen it. But has anyone actually witnessed the earth moving around the sun? Even our astronauts have never seen that! Oh, and mind the gaps!
well, you can devise a rotational mechanism based on any vantage point... so...
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#16 - Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:08 AM EST{"commentId":78008,"authorDomain":"anahata"}
I'll bet this guy makes a lot of money from his book.
"You'll never go broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public"
-P.T. Barnum.
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- 2 votes
#17 - Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:38 AM EST{"commentId":78075,"authorDomain":"praetor605"}
Sungenis' background is in both theology and science. He said he was a physics major at George Washington University but received his bachelor's degree in religious studies from GW
So people are going to be listening to a guy who does not even have a bachelor's degree in physics. The sad thing is, people probably will listen and go buy his book. Clearly I wasted my time studying biology, I should have gone into a field like alchemy or phrenology, I bet that's where the moneys at.
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- 2 votes
#18 - Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:31 AM EST{"commentId":78127,"authorDomain":"powercow"}
I missed the part in genesis where it says the earth revolves arround the sun.. maybe we can pencil it in/
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- 2 votes
#19 - Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:07 PM EST{"commentId":78212,"authorDomain":"QACoach"}
I would love to have a mailing list of all the folks that purchase this book. I'm sure I have a number of things I could sell to them including my rare find of all the robes the disciples of Jesus ever wore, the magnet used to determine true north, the dailing mechanism for the stargate in Antarctica, Mary Poppins umbrella, etc.
I know I must have more "special" items stashed here in my attic...let's see....ah, yes...
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- 1 vote
#20 - Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:06 PM EST{"commentId":78221,"authorDomain":"wintermute1"}
First, they came for the "reality-based community," but I was a person of faith *and* reason, so I turned my head and walked away. Then they came for the biologists, but I was not a biologist - so the evolution issue wasn't for me - so I laughed and went back to sleep. Then they came for the physicists....
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- 3 votes
#21 - Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:15 PM EST{"commentId":78254,"authorDomain":"vesper"}
You know, it's a little frightening to think that this nutjob may be right...
From the "point of view" of the observer, everything appears to circle around that observer. Well, circle is kind of wrong since some planets don't really circle when they retrograde. I wonder what explanation he has for planet retrograde.
Was it Ptolemy who first pondered a geocentric universe nearly 2000 years ago? Now we are talking the same again?
OK, really, why are so many people trying to push the human race back into the Dark Ages? Was there really something good going on back then?
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#22 - Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:46 PM EST{"commentId":78258,"authorDomain":"wintermute1"}
You would have to ask "them"....
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#23 - Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:51 PM EST{"commentId":78264,"authorDomain":"patkohler"}
We know that the Earth revolves around the Sun because of observations made about the position of the Earth in relationship to the Sun and the rest of the planets.
Why are people so ignorant as to believe this stuff?
I have enough trouble attempting to wrap my head around the idea that there may in fact be a God. But my observations and my logical thinking show that what is going on in the world as it happens is what is truly occuring.
Its like looking at a sphere and saying that it is flat because the book says that the sphere is flat.
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- 1 vote
#24 - Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:58 PM EST{"commentId":78274,"authorDomain":"wintermute1"}
Pat Kohler writes:
Why are people so ignorant as to believe this stuff?
Because faith has set them free... free from reason and evidence.
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- 1 vote
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